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Well thats what i ended up with and yes, i have used another logging implementation.

However the Hosting privider i use (and admittedly its my fault for using a shared hosting account where i dont have my own server) is funny about people even including log4j jar files or anyone using Log4j classes. 

I have to include Log4j jars as the app wont start without them, and i have a feeling that even doing what you have suggested and i have done would be in breach of their terms.

What id really like is a generic initialisation routine to driven by a config file to point to the implementation.

Cant be that difficult!  Would be nice if the engine was opne source too

The KonaKart code uses Common Logging when it accesses a Log object and so should in theory be able to use any logging system.

However the KKEng.java constructor  explictly trys to initialise Log4J and thus bypasses the commons logging mechanism.

I want to be able to use something other than Log4j but i currently cant. This is a problem as my current hosting provider doesnt allow Log4J on the hosting plan im on.

Unfortunately KKEng is not included in the modifiable source. 

Does anyone have any ideas?